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“A S&P500 Target Of 100?” Revisited

Wednesday, July 14th, 2010

In March of 2009 I wrote an article titled “A S&P500 Target of 100?”

I am sure that the mere idea of such a target seems impossible to many.  However, for a variety of reasons, many indicated in the aforementioned article, I believe that such a target is not only possible but increasing in likelihood.

I would like to provide an update on the ideas originally presented in that article, given that much has happened since that article was written.  In this update I will divide my comments into two areas, technical and fundamental analysis, as I did in that original article.  In order to avoid repetition, I will assume that one has already read the aforementioned original article.

Technical Analysis

Here is a chart of the S&P500 and Dow Jones Industrials on a monthly basis since 1980: (chart courtesy of StockCharts.com)

(click on chart to enlarge image):

As one can see, in 1982 the S&P500 price of 101.44  roughly corresponded to a Dow Jones Industrials price of 770.

From a technical analysis perspective, it remains difficult to derive any meaningful “support” between current S&P500 levels and that of the 100 price region.

Additionally, there are a variety of other technical measures that are worrisome, both from a long-term and short-term perspective.

One other item that should be considered is that of time.  As I wrote in the March 2009 article, “Should the stock market fall to the 100 area, what might be the timing?  Again, this is a difficult question.  If one were to casually answer, one might think such a decline from the October 2007 highs might occur in a 3-5 year timeframe, perhaps longer.”  Of course, we are rapidly approaching the 3rd anniversary of the October 2007 high, which is significant.

Fundamental Analysis

The fundamental argument for an S&P500 target of 100 is complex.  Many would vigorously argue against such given the current economic environment of strong corporate earnings, robust financial markets, optimistic consensus economic forecasts, and various statistics showing sustained growth.

Perhaps the easiest way to envision a S&P500 level of 100 is in a “negative earnings” environment.  When the original article was written, this “negative earnings” (i.e. a loss) for the S&P500 seemed like a possibility.  Now, with consensus 2010 earnings (on an “operating basis”) estimates of $80-$85/share, with increases projected for 2011, such a “loss” scenario would seem highly improbable.

However, as I noted in the original article, “…since the financial crisis began, outliers and other “odd occurrences” have propagated on a vast scale.  The mere existence of such an array of outliers would seem to argue that one should be open to possibilities that normally one wouldn’t, or shouldn’t seriously consider possible. “  Many have ignored these outliers and “odd occurrences,” which I believe is a critical mistake.  These outliers and “odd occurrences” are numerous, and many have been mentioned in this blog; perhaps most noticeable among these outliers is outsized unemployment that is proving rather intractable.

As I wrote in the June 29 post, “it behooves us to at least condider whether instead we are in a continuing Depression, as I have previously written.”  If one does believe this is a Depression – in which current economic strength is of a transitory manner – the ramifications of such are important, as it would indicate that not only is more weakness coming, but most likely of a more (vs. the trough of 2009) severe nature.

My analysis indicates that our current and future economic conditions are of great complexity.  At the core of any current economic analysis and forecast should be the question “Are our current national actions to improve our economic condition leading to that of sustainable prosperity?”  From an “all things considered basis” I do not believe so, unfortunately.

As to whether a S&P500 level of 100 is forthcoming – I continue to believe in the following, which I stated in a September 1, 2009 post:  “Since I wrote the article “A S&P500 Target of 100?” discussed in the last post of that Depression series I have used the S&P500 price of 100 as a type of potential endpost, and have been thinking of what type of probabilities to assign to its likelihood of occurring in the near future (a  two-year window since it was written).  Most people would think that such a price target is simply impossible.  However, since I wrote the article in early March, the probabilities I have assigned to it have increased, unfortunately.”

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The Continual Comparisons To The Great Depression

Tuesday, July 13th, 2010

On Friday, The Wall Street Journal had an article titled “Why This Isn’t Like 1938 – At Least Not Yet.”

Ever since the onset of the “Financial Crisis” there has been a continual flow of comparisons of our current economic situation to that of  The Great Depression.

Last year I wrote about these comparisons on numerous occasions.  I summarized these posts in a July 13, 2009 post.  As I said in that post, “…although our current period of economic weakness does have similarities to that of The Great Depression, there are notable differences as well.  To believe that both situations are very similar, and by acting accordingly, imperils our economic situation.”

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Is This A Depression?

Tuesday, June 29th, 2010

Although almost everyone believes we are in an economic recovery, it behooves us to at least consider whether instead we are in a continuing Depression, as I have previously written.  Beginning on June 22, 2009, I wrote a series of four blog posts that examined various aspects of our economic situation and whether we were in, or heading into, a Depression.

As I wrote on January 19, “Of course, over the last few months there have been signs of economic recovery – or at least a lessening of economic weakness.  However, I believe that these signs represent the type of intermittent economic strength that is often seen during periods of prolonged economic weakness.”

Let’s assume, for a moment, that we are in a continuing Depression, as opposed to an economic recovery as almost everyone believes.  How could virtually everyone be wrong on such a prominent issue?

I believe the answer is complex and lengthy.  However, there are at least three basic underpinnings of such a mistaken belief.

First, judging the sustainability of economic strength after a steep economic decline seems challenging.  During the 1930′s, there were many prominent people who believed that the Depression was over, only to have the economy relapse into further weakness.

Second, since the late 1920s, this country has had very few periods of Depressions or prolonged recessions, as defined.  Due to this lack of “experience,” it may be very difficult to discriminate between continual Depression characteristics, during which intermittent economic strength manifests, and that of a new economic recovery that follows a definite end of economic weakness.  As well – and this is of critical importance – how should government, business and citizens act during a Depression?  Needless to say, how these parties should act during a continual Depression will vary greatly as opposed to that of an economic recovery.   Acting as if one is in a sustainable recovery, when in fact one is in a continuing Depression, would prove devastating.

Third, as I have written of previously, do we, as a nation (and by extension the world) really understand our present economic environment?  We, as a nation, failed (some examples are found here) to predict  the severe economic weakness of late ’08 and early ’09.  Was this failure a “one-time” event – i.e. a fluke not to worry about – or the early “innings” of what will prove to be a colossal, long-running economic misinterpretation?  Before one can flippantly dismiss this concern – as I’m sure most will be tempted to do – one should heed the existence (often mentioned in this blog) of many negative “outliers” during this purported sustainable economic recovery.  Perhaps most noticeable among these outliers is unemployment issues that are proving rather intractable.

Of course, the hope is that we are avoiding a Depression.  However, if we are actually in one, it would strongly behoove us to acknowledge such and act accordingly.

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My Thoughts On Our Current Economic Situation

Friday, May 7th, 2010

On an intermittent basis I post a summary of my thoughts on our (U.S.) current economic situation.

My overall views have not changed since my last post on the subject, which can be found in the January 19 post.

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My Thoughts On Our Current Economic Situation

Tuesday, January 19th, 2010

I would like to provide an overall update as to my thoughts on our current economic situation.

My blog post of September 1, 2009 summarizes my current thoughts well.  It can be found here:

http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2009/09/01/are-we-going-into-a-depression/

Many of my concerns and reasons for such an outlook have been expressed in this blog. 

Of course, over the last few months there have been signs of economic recovery – or at least a lessening of economic weakness.  However, I believe that these signs represent the type of intermittent economic strength that is often seen during periods of prolonged economic weakness.

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Are We Going Into A Depression?

Tuesday, September 1st, 2009

Please note – some might find this post disturbing

I would like to provide an overall update as to my thoughts on our current economic situation.

First, however, a brief recap of what others think of our current economic situation (details of which can be found under the “Economic Forecasts” and “Stock Market” categories on the right-hand side of the home page):

  • Practically all economists, federal officials, companies and investment professionals are confident that we have “seen the worst” of the economic damage, and are heading toward a gradual recovery
  • Only a small handful of economists think even a “double-dip” recession (further economic weakness before a lasting recovery) is possible.  None that I have seen are forecasting an economic dropoff that would lead into a Depression.
  • Corporate Earnings growth is projected to be robust through (at least) 2010
  • The stock market (as seen by the S&P500) is above 1000 – after having a very strong multi-month rally

Given the above, how likely is renewed economic weakness and how strong could it possibly be?  What is the potential downside?

My analysis and overall thoughts on our economic condition, and likely future outcome, has not changed.  Although I am an optimistic person by nature, my overall analysis of our current economic condition does not engender optimism.  I do not believe that we have even come close to having seen “the bottom” as far as economic weakness is concerned.  Furthermore, I see our future economic situation as one that holds great peril and rather severe potential downside.   I do believe we are heading into what will inarguably be classified as a Depression.

The reasons for my conclusions are many.  In general, we face an array of  complex and deeply embedded problems.  For those who want a more specific background of my thoughts on this matter, I would recommend reading the articles I have written, (which can be found listed under the “ProsperityByPen.com Directory” found on the right-hand side of the page  as well as at this link)

http://www.economicgreenfield.com/prosperitybypencom-directory/   

and the various blog posts on this site. 

In particular, I would like to call attention to my four-part Depression series that started with the June 22 post, which can be found at this link:

http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2009/06/22/are-we-in-a-depression/

Since I wrote the article “A S&P500 Target of 100?” discussed in the last post of that Depression series I have used the S&P500 price of 100 as a type of potential endpost, and have been thinking of what type of probabilities to assign to its likelihood of occurring in the near future (a  two-year window since it was written).  Most people would think that such a price target is simply impossible.  However, since I wrote the article in early March, the probabilities I have assigned to it have increased, unfortunately. 

Our current and future economic conditions are of great complexity.  As I have previously stated, I do not want further economic weakness to occur and I do hope that my analysis and conclusions regarding our economic course are completely incorrect.  My overall desire is for us to attain what would be considered Sustainable Prosperity.

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Debunking A Popular Phrase

Wednesday, August 12th, 2009

One of the phrases that I have heard innumerable times is that our current period of economic weakness “isn’t as bad as The Great Depression because during The Great Depression unemployment was at 25%.”

While I have commented repeatedly on this blog that I don’t believe we should be equating our current economic condition to that of The Great Depression, I would like to comment on the phrase above.

As one can see on the chart found in this The Economist article:

http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13856176

the unemployment rate during The Great Depression peaked at 25%.  Also of note is the steady yet unrelenting climb in the rate leading to this peak.

Another issue that would need to be factored into any discussion of the two periods’ unemployment rates is that of comparibility.  While I haven’t seen any well-documented analysis of the methods used during each period, the prevailing wisdom appears to be that our current unemployment rate is understated vs. that used during The Great Depression. 

As I have stated previously on this blog, (on the “Why Aren’t Companies Hiring?” series that started on July 24) ”The unemployment issue currently facing the country is severe and complex.”  It is important that we keep it in proper historical context.

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Another Mention of The Great Depression

Monday, August 3rd, 2009

On July 26th Ben Bernanke said, “”I was not going to be the Federal Reserve chairman who presided over the second Great Depression.”  The quote and associated details can be found here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124865498517982625.html

I found the quote interesting primarily as it once again underscores the popularity (or should I say fixation) that many people, including prominent economists, have in comparing (and associating the characteristics of) our current period of economic weakness with that of The Great Depression.  As I wrote in my July 13th post, I think that viewing the two periods similarly is not only incorrect but perilous.

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Comparing The Great Depression To Our Current Economic Situation

Monday, July 13th, 2009

In previous posts I have spoken of the comparisons between our current period of economic weakness and that of The Great Depression.  Those posts were on June 22 and June 15, and can be found at these links:

http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2009/06/22/are-we-avoiding-a-depression/

http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2009/06/15/great-depression-stock-charts-vs-our-current-period/

I would like to reiterate my view, seen in the above links, that although our current period of economic weakness does have similarities to that of The Great Depression, there are notable differences as well.  To believe that both situations are very similar, and by acting accordingly, imperils our economic situation. 

The reason I feel as if I need to reiterate these views is twofold.  First, people in general seem fixated on the comparison.  Second, two of perhaps the most influential economists of today (Paul Krugman and Christina Romer) recently had articles, found in the below links, in which they discuss our current situation in context of The Great Depression:

“That ’30′s Show” by Paul Krugman

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/opinion/03krugman.html?_r=1

“The Lessons of 1937″ by Christina Romer

http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13856176

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The Concept of a “Super Depression”

Tuesday, June 23rd, 2009

Please note; some will find this post disturbing

I would like to call your attention to the article titled “A S&P500 Target of 100?” which is found under the “Investor” heading here:

http://www.economicgreenfield.com/prosperitybypencom-directory/

With the S&P500 currently at 893.72, I am sure that many will find the mere notion of the 100 level to be highly unlikely if not outlandish.  However, I would point out that our current economic situation is exceedingly complex, and that any further economic weakness could play out in an unpredictable fashion.

As indicated in the article, if the S&P500 were to fall to the 100 level the accompanying economic situation would likely be dreadful and chaotic.  It could very well represent the biggest challenge our nation has ever encountered.

Such a situation, if it were to occur, could be categorized as a “Super Depression,” which I would define as a severe Depression embedded with highly complex, difficult-to-solve problems.

In future posts, I will likely further comment on the prospects of a Depression and/or ”Super Depression.”  From my perspective, on an “all things considered” basis, both are (most unfortunately) possibilities.

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