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		<title>Recession Measures – Updated</title>
		<link>http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2011/10/31/recession-measures-%e2%80%93-updated/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post is the latest update to a series of blog posts seen on the CalculatedRisk.com blog.  The original blog post of April 12, 2010, is titled “Recession Measures.” In it, Bill discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries, and posted four charts. Here are those charts, updated in his October 30, 2011 post titled [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is the latest update to a series of blog posts seen on the <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/" target="_blank">CalculatedRisk.com</a> blog.  The original blog post of April 12, 2010, is titled<a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/04/recession-measures.html"> “Recession Measures.”</a> In it, Bill discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries, and posted four charts.</p>
<p>Here are those charts, updated in his October 30, 2011 post titled &#8220;<a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/10/recovery-measures.html" target="_blank">Recovery Measures</a>.&#8221;  The charts are constructed in a fashion different than most – in a “percent of peak” fashion.  As defined, “The following graphs are all constructed as a percent of the peak in each indicator.  This shows when the indicator has bottomed – and when the indicator has returned to the level of the previous peak.  If the indicator is at a new peak, the value is 100%.”  Periods of recession, as defined by the NBER, are shown as blue bars.</p>
<p>Here are the four charts, updated through the dates shown: (click on images to enlarge)</p>
<p>Real Gross Domestic Product, now back to the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR-RealGDPPercentPeakQ32011-10-31-11.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4161" title="CR RealGDPPercentPeakQ32011 10-31-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR-RealGDPPercentPeakQ32011-10-31-11.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="719" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Real Personal Income Less Transfer Payments, still 5.3% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR-PersonalIncomeLessTransferSept2011-10-31-11.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4162" title="CR PersonalIncomeLessTransferSept2011 10-31-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR-PersonalIncomeLessTransferSept2011-10-31-11.jpg" alt="" width="1019" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Industrial Production, still 6.5% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR-IPpercentSept2011-10-31-11.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4163" title="CR IPpercentSept2011 10-31-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR-IPpercentSept2011-10-31-11.jpg" alt="" width="1019" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Payroll Employment, still 4.8% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR-EmployPercentSept2011-10-31-11.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4164" title="CR EmployPercentSept2011 10-31-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR-EmployPercentSept2011-10-31-11.jpg" alt="" width="1019" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>_____</p>
<p><em>The <a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/a-special-note-on-our-economic-situation/" target="_blank">Special Note</a> summarizes my overall thoughts about our economic situation</em></p>
<p><em>SPX at 1285.08 as this post is written</em></p>
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		<title>Recession Measures &#8211; Updated</title>
		<link>http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2011/08/04/recession-measures-updated-3/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post is the latest update to a series of blog posts seen on the CalculatedRisk.com blog.  The original blog post of April 12, 2010, is titled “Recession Measures.” In it, Bill discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries, and posted four charts. Here are those charts, updated in his August 2, 2011 post.  The charts [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is the latest update to a series of blog posts seen on the CalculatedRisk.com blog.  The original blog post of April 12, 2010, is titled<a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/04/recession-measures.html"> “Recession Measures.”</a> In it, Bill discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries, and posted four charts.</p>
<p>Here are those charts, updated in his <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/08/recession-measures.html" target="_blank">August 2, 2011 post</a>.  The charts are constructed in a fashion different than most – in a “percent of peak” fashion.  As defined, “The following graphs are all constructed as a percent of the peak in each indicator.  This shows when the indicator has bottomed – and when the indicator has returned to the level of the previous peak.  If the indicator is at a new peak, the value is 100%.”  Periods of recession, as defined by the NBER, are shown as blue bars.</p>
<p>Here are the four charts, updated through the dates shown: (click on images to enlarge)</p>
<p>Real Gross Domestic Product, now 0.4% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CR-GDPRecessionMeasureQ22011-8-2-11.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3753" title="CR GDPRecessionMeasureQ22011 8-2-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CR-GDPRecessionMeasureQ22011-8-2-11.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="719" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Real Personal Income Less Transfer Payments, still 5.1% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CR-PersonalIncomeLessTransferJune2011-8-2-11.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3754" title="CR PersonalIncomeLessTransferJune2011 8-2-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CR-PersonalIncomeLessTransferJune2011-8-2-11.jpg" alt="" width="1019" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Industrial Production, still 7.6% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CR-RecMeasIPJune2011-8-2-11.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3755" title="CR RecMeasIPJune2011 8-2-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CR-RecMeasIPJune2011-8-2-11.jpg" alt="" width="1019" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Payroll Employment, still below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CR-RecMeasEmployJune2011-8-2-11.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3756" title="CR RecMeasEmployJune2011 8-2-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/CR-RecMeasEmployJune2011-8-2-11.jpg" alt="" width="1019" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>_____</p>
<p><em>The <a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/a-special-note-on-our-economic-situation/" target="_blank">Special Note</a> summarizes my overall thoughts about our economic situation</em></p>
<p><em>SPX at 1260.34 as this post is written</em></p>
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		<title>Recession Measures &#8211; Updated</title>
		<link>http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2011/02/07/recession-measures-updated-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 14:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post is the latest update to a series of blog posts seen on the CalculatedRisk.com blog.  The original blog post of April 12, 2010, is titled “Recession Measures.” In it, Bill discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries, and posted four charts. Here are those charts, updated in his February 6, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is the latest update to a series of blog posts seen on the <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/">CalculatedRisk.com blog</a>.  The original blog post of April 12, 2010, is titled<a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/04/recession-measures.html"> “Recession Measures.”</a> In it, Bill discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries, and posted four charts.</p>
<p>Here are those charts, updated in his <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/02/recession-measures.html">February 6, 2011 post</a>.    The charts are constructed in a fashion different than most – in a   “percent of peak” fashion.  As defined, “The following graphs are all   constructed as a percent of the peak in  each indicator. This shows when   the indicator has bottomed – and when  the indicator has returned to   the level of the previous peak. If the  indicator is at a new peak, the   value is 100%.”  Periods of recession, as defined by the NBER, are  shown  as blue bars.</p>
<p>Here are the four charts, updated through the dates shown: (click on images to enlarge)</p>
<p>Real Gross Domestic Product, now 0.14% above the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/EconomicGreenfield-2-7-11-RecessionMeasureGDPQ42010-2-6-11.jpg"><img title="EconomicGreenfield 2-7-11 RecessionMeasureGDPQ42010 2-6-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/EconomicGreenfield-2-7-11-RecessionMeasureGDPQ42010-2-6-11.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="719" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Real Personal Income Less Transfer Payments, still 4.3% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/EconomicGreenfield-2-7-11-RealIncomeLessTransferDec2010-2-6-11.jpg"><img title="EconomicGreenfield 2-7-11 RealIncomeLessTransferDec2010 2-6-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/EconomicGreenfield-2-7-11-RealIncomeLessTransferDec2010-2-6-11.jpg" alt="" width="1019" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Industrial Production, still 5.8% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/EconomicGreenfield-2-7-11-RecessionMeasureIPDec2011-2-6-11.jpg"><img title="EconomicGreenfield 2-7-11 RecessionMeasureIPDec2011 2-6-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/EconomicGreenfield-2-7-11-RecessionMeasureIPDec2011-2-6-11.jpg" alt="" width="1019" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Payroll Employment, still 5.6% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/EconomicGreenfield-2-7-11-RecessionMeasureEmploymentJan2011-2-6-11.jpg"><img title="EconomicGreenfield 2-7-11 RecessionMeasureEmploymentJan2011 2-6-11" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/EconomicGreenfield-2-7-11-RecessionMeasureEmploymentJan2011-2-6-11.jpg" alt="" width="1019" height="718" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p><em>A Special Note concerning our economic situation is found <a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/a-special-note-on-our-economic-situation/">here</a></em></p>
<p><em>SPX at 1317.29 as this post is written</em></p>
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		<title>Recession Measures &#8211; Updated</title>
		<link>http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2010/11/01/recession-measures-updated/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On April 21 I wrote a post titled &#8220;Recession Measures &#8211; Two Charts.&#8221; That post referenced an April 12  CalculatedRisk blog post titled “Recession Measures.” In it, Bill discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries, and posted four charts. Here are those charts, updated in his October 29 post.  The charts are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On April 21 I wrote a post titled <a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2010/04/21/recession-measures-two-charts/">&#8220;Recession Measures &#8211; Two Charts.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>That post referenced an April 12  <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/">CalculatedRisk</a> blog post titled<a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/04/recession-measures.html"> “Recession Measures.”</a> In it, Bill discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries, and posted four charts.</p>
<p>Here are those charts, updated in his <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/10/real-gdp-still-08-below-pre-recession.html">October 29 post</a>.  The charts are constructed in a fashion different than most &#8211; in a &#8220;percent of peak&#8221; fashion.  As defined, &#8220;The following graphs are all constructed as a percent of the peak in  each indicator. This shows when the indicator has bottomed &#8211; and when  the indicator has returned to the level of the previous peak. If the  indicator is at a new peak, the value is 100%.&#8221;  Periods of recession, as defined by the NBER, are shown as blue bars.</p>
<p>Here are the four charts: (click on images to enlarge)</p>
<p>Real Gross Domestic Product, still 0.8% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/EconomicGreenfield-11-1-10-GDPPercentPreviousPeakQ320101.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2439" title="EconomicGreenfield 11-1-10 GDPPercentPreviousPeakQ32010" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/EconomicGreenfield-11-1-10-GDPPercentPreviousPeakQ320101.jpg" alt="" width="819" height="575" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Real Personal Income Less Transfer Payments, still 5.5% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/EconomicGreenfield-11-1-10-PersonalIncomePercentPeakQ320101.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2440" title="EconomicGreenfield 11-1-10 PersonalIncomePercentPeakQ32010" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/EconomicGreenfield-11-1-10-PersonalIncomePercentPeakQ320101.jpg" alt="" width="819" height="575" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Industrial Production, still 7.5% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/EconomicGreenfield-11-1-10-IPPercentPreviousPeakSept20101.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2441" title="EconomicGreenfield 11-1-10 IPPercentPreviousPeakSept2010" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/EconomicGreenfield-11-1-10-IPPercentPreviousPeakSept20101.jpg" alt="" width="815" height="574" /></a></p>
<p>-</p>
<p>Payroll Employment, still 5.6% below the pre-recession peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/EconomicGreenfield-11-1-10-EmploymentPercentPeakSept20101.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2442" title="EconomicGreenfield 11-1-10 EmploymentPercentPeakSept2010" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/EconomicGreenfield-11-1-10-EmploymentPercentPeakSept20101.jpg" alt="" width="652" height="459" /></a></p>
<p>_____</p>
<p><em>A Special Note concerning our economic situation is found <a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/a-special-note-on-our-economic-situation/">here</a></em></p>
<p><em>SPX at 1183.26 as this post is written</em></p>
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		<title>The Stock Market And The Economy</title>
		<link>http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2010/08/27/the-stock-market-and-the-economy/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the August 16-August 29 Bloomberg BusinessWeek, there is a quote from Jeremy Siegel in which he says, &#8220;The stock market&#8217;s telling us there&#8217;s some good things happening.  And I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s only what they think Bernanke is going to say.  There is now a very broad consensus that this&#8230;is not going to develop [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the August 16-August 29 Bloomberg BusinessWeek, there is a quote from Jeremy Siegel in which he says, &#8220;The stock market&#8217;s telling us there&#8217;s some good things happening.  And I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s only what they think Bernanke is going to say.  There is now a very broad consensus that this&#8230;is not going to develop into a double-dip.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>My comment:</em></p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t agree with this quote, it is interesting for a variety of reasons.  It appears to echo the belief of many at this juncture.</p>
<p>For now, I will not further comment on it; however, I may reference it in future posts&#8230;</p>
<p><em>A Special Note concerning our economic situation is found <a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/a-special-note-on-our-economic-situation/">here</a></em></p>
<p><em>SPX at 1050.80 as this post is written</em></p>
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		<title>Macroeconomic Advisers On Possibility Of Double Dip</title>
		<link>http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2010/06/24/macroeconomic-advisers-on-possibility-of-double-dip/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this June 10 blog post, titled &#8220;The Chances of a &#8216;Double-Dip&#8217; are Essentially Nil&#8221; by Macroeconomic Advisers to be notable. Of course, I am not in agreement with those that believe any material further economic weakness will be avoided.  However, many economists feel differently; as I have noted in the post of June [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this June 10 blog post, titled <a href="http://macroadvisers.blogspot.com/2010/06/chances-of-double-dip-are-essentially.html">&#8220;The Chances of a &#8216;Double-Dip&#8217; are Essentially Nil&#8221;</a> by Macroeconomic Advisers to be notable.</p>
<p>Of course, I am not in agreement with those that believe any material further economic weakness will be avoided.  However, many economists feel differently; as I have noted in the post of June 14 concerning the latest Wall Street Journal Economic Survey, &#8220;The economists in the survey put the odds of a double-dip recession at  19%.”</p>
<p>Some of my other thoughts on the idea of a &#8220;Double-Dip&#8221; scenario can be found <a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/2010/03/08/the-double-dip-scenario/">at this March 8, 2010 post.</a></p>
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		<title>Recession Measures &#8211; Two Charts</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an additional note to the last post, on April 12 the CalculatedRisk blog had an interesting post titled &#8220;Recession Measures.&#8221; In it, he discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries. In the post he shows four charts, constructed in a &#8220;percent of peak&#8221; fashion.  Here are the two that I find [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an additional note to the last post, on April 12 the <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/">CalculatedRisk</a> blog had an interesting post titled<a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/04/recession-measures.html"> &#8220;Recession Measures.&#8221;</a> In it, he discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries.</p>
<p>In the post he shows four charts, constructed in a &#8220;percent of peak&#8221; fashion.  Here are the two that I find most notable (the other two not shown: employment and GDP/GDI):</p>
<p>Industrial Production, Percent of Previous Peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/CR-4-12-10-Industrial-Production-Percent-of-Previous-Peak.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1528" title="CR 4-12-10 Industrial Production Percent of Previous Peak" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/CR-4-12-10-Industrial-Production-Percent-of-Previous-Peak.jpg" alt="" width="1021" height="720" /></a></p>
<p>Real Personal Income Less Transfer Payments, Percent of Previous Peak:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/CR-4-12-10-Recession-Measure-Income-Percent-of-Previous-Peak1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1530" title="CR 4-12-10 Recession Measure Income Percent of Previous Peak" src="http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/CR-4-12-10-Recession-Measure-Income-Percent-of-Previous-Peak1.jpg" alt="" width="1021" height="720" /></a></p>
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		<title>NBER BCDC Member Robert J. Gordon Comments</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On April 12 Robert J. Gordon, a member of the NBER Business Cycle Dating Committee, wrote of the reasons why he believes that &#8220;It is obvious that the recession is over.&#8221; There are many noteworthy items in his article, and I could extensively comment on his arguments.  Needless to say I disagree, fully or partially, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On April 12 Robert J. Gordon, a member of the NBER Business Cycle Dating Committee, <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/04/12/guest-contribution-nber-panel-member-gordon-says-it-is-obvious-recession-over/?mod=djemRTE_t&amp;reflink=djemWEB">wrote of the reasons why</a> he believes that &#8220;It is obvious that the recession is over.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are many noteworthy items in his article, and I could extensively comment on his arguments.  Needless to say I disagree, fully or partially, on many of his points.</p>
<p>I will highlight four items.  First, I found this to be interesting, and it underscores the initial severity of the downturn:</p>
<p>&#8220;There was a powerful economic downdraft that started with the failure of  Lehman in September 2008 and extended into the winter and spring of  2009.  Everybody panicked.  Firms laid off employees by the millions,  and real gross private domestic investment declined between 2008:Q3 and  2009:Q2 at an unprecedented annual rate of -41.6 percent, even faster  than at any time during the Great Depression.&#8221;</p>
<p>Second, this is highly notable:</p>
<p>&#8220;Thus the American economy is enjoying strong upward momentum that is  evident every day in the announcements of retail sales, service sector  production, and almost everything else.  There are no negatives in the  actual data,  but rather the negatives reside in doomsayer worries that consumers  are too weak to spend or that the economy will collapse after the Obama  stimulus dollars have been spent.&#8221;</p>
<p>I strongly disagree with this above statement.  While there have been signs of &#8220;strong upward momentum&#8221; &#8211; as he suggests &#8211; there are also many signs of pronounced weakness, broadly seen across many measures.  Various posts on this blog discuss these measures and weaknesses.</p>
<p>Third, he states, &#8220;A double dip, i.e., two quarters with negative real GDP growth, is  extremely implausible at any time over the next year.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fourth, he states, &#8220;There are no plausible shocks that would suddenly push real GDP below  its trough value of 2009:Q2 in the next year or two.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those familiar with this blog know that I view this purported economic recovery as unsustainable, due to a variety of factors.  Needless to say, I don&#8217;t agree, for a variety of reasons, with his two above assertions concerning the durability of economic growth.</p>
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		<title>The &#8220;Double-Dip&#8221; Scenario</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lately there have been an increasing number of people citing the possibility of a &#8220;double-dip&#8221; recession.  Much of this scenario is predicated upon the belief that as government stimulus spending fades, so too will economic activity. This March 5 article from CNBC.com summarizes some of the opinions regarding the double-dip reasoning and possibilities. I find [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately there have been an increasing number of people citing the possibility of a &#8220;double-dip&#8221; recession.  Much of this scenario is predicated upon the belief that as government stimulus spending fades, so too will economic activity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/35726656">This March 5</a> article from CNBC.com summarizes some of the opinions regarding the double-dip reasoning and possibilities.</p>
<p>I find these worries about a &#8220;double-dip&#8221; recession interesting for many reasons.  Perhaps chief among these reasons is that even among those who think a &#8220;double-dip&#8221; recession is likely, these people don&#8217;t seem to believe that any further economic weakness will be worse than that which we experienced during the trough set in late &#8217;08-early &#8217;09.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure for the reasoning behind this belief; and I have seen none offered.  However, per my previous posts I don&#8217;t believe this is a logical conclusion.</p>
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		<title>Another Forecast Mentioning &#8220;Double-Dip&#8221; Possibility</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Kavadas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goldman Sachs yesterday came out with a new forecast on the S&#38;P500 price as well as operating earnings, as seen on CNBC.com here: http://www.cnbc.com/id/31774313 I found the following phrase interesting; as this is another forecast that mentions the possibility of a &#8220;double-dip&#8221; recession in the future: &#8220;Goldman&#8217;s current economic view is for below-trend growth through [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldman Sachs yesterday came out with a new forecast on the S&amp;P500 price as well as operating earnings, as seen on CNBC.com here:</p>
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<p>I found the following phrase interesting; as this is another forecast that mentions the possibility of a &#8220;double-dip&#8221; recession in the future:</p>
<div>&#8220;Goldman&#8217;s current economic view is for below-trend growth through 2010, and it believes the risk of a &#8220;double-dip&#8221; recession is still significant.&#8221;</div>
<p>Also in the story it mentions that Goldman raised its operating earnings estimate on the S&amp;P500 to $52 (from $40) for 2009 and to $75 (from $63) for 2010; and its S&amp;P500 price target for year-end 2009 to 1060 from 940. </p>
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