Posts Tagged ‘“Double-Dip” recession’

The Stock Market And The Economy

Friday, August 27th, 2010

In the August 16-August 29 Bloomberg BusinessWeek, there is a quote from Jeremy Siegel in which he says, “The stock market’s telling us there’s some good things happening.  And I don’t think it’s only what they think Bernanke is going to say.  There is now a very broad consensus that this…is not going to develop into a double-dip.”

My comment:

Although I don’t agree with this quote, it is interesting for a variety of reasons.  It appears to echo the belief of many at this juncture.

For now, I will not further comment on it; however, I may reference it in future posts…

A Special Note concerning our economic situation is found here

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Macroeconomic Advisers On Possibility Of Double Dip

Thursday, June 24th, 2010

I found this June 10 blog post, titled “The Chances of a ‘Double-Dip’ are Essentially Nil” by Macroeconomic Advisers to be notable.

Of course, I am not in agreement with those that believe any material further economic weakness will be avoided.  However, many economists feel differently; as I have noted in the post of June 14 concerning the latest Wall Street Journal Economic Survey, “The economists in the survey put the odds of a double-dip recession at 19%.”

Some of my other thoughts on the idea of a “Double-Dip” scenario can be found at this March 8, 2010 post.

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Recession Measures – Two Charts

Wednesday, April 21st, 2010

As an additional note to the last post, on April 12 the CalculatedRisk blog had an interesting post titled “Recession Measures.” In it, he discussed key measures that the NBER uses to determine recoveries.

In the post he shows four charts, constructed in a “percent of peak” fashion.  Here are the two that I find most notable (the other two not shown: employment and GDP/GDI):

Industrial Production, Percent of Previous Peak:

Real Personal Income Less Transfer Payments, Percent of Previous Peak:

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NBER BCDC Member Robert J. Gordon Comments

Monday, April 19th, 2010

On April 12 Robert J. Gordon, a member of the NBER Business Cycle Dating Committee, wrote of the reasons why he believes that “It is obvious that the recession is over.”

There are many noteworthy items in his article, and I could extensively comment on his arguments.  Needless to say I disagree, fully or partially, on many of his points.

I will highlight four items.  First, I found this to be interesting, and it underscores the initial severity of the downturn:

“There was a powerful economic downdraft that started with the failure of Lehman in September 2008 and extended into the winter and spring of 2009. Everybody panicked. Firms laid off employees by the millions, and real gross private domestic investment declined between 2008:Q3 and 2009:Q2 at an unprecedented annual rate of -41.6 percent, even faster than at any time during the Great Depression.”

Second, this is highly notable:

“Thus the American economy is enjoying strong upward momentum that is evident every day in the announcements of retail sales, service sector production, and almost everything else. There are no negatives in the actual data,  but rather the negatives reside in doomsayer worries that consumers are too weak to spend or that the economy will collapse after the Obama stimulus dollars have been spent.”

I strongly disagree with this above statement.  While there have been signs of “strong upward momentum” – as he suggests – there are also many signs of pronounced weakness, broadly seen across many measures.  Various posts on this blog discuss these measures and weaknesses.

Third, he states, “A double dip, i.e., two quarters with negative real GDP growth, is extremely implausible at any time over the next year.”

Fourth, he states, “There are no plausible shocks that would suddenly push real GDP below its trough value of 2009:Q2 in the next year or two.”

Those familiar with this blog know that I view this purported economic recovery as unsustainable, due to a variety of factors.  Needless to say, I don’t agree, for a variety of reasons, with his two above assertions concerning the durability of economic growth.

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The “Double-Dip” Scenario

Monday, March 8th, 2010

Lately there have been an increasing number of people citing the possibility of a “double-dip” recession.  Much of this scenario is predicated upon the belief that as government stimulus spending fades, so too will economic activity.

This March 5 article from CNBC.com summarizes some of the opinions regarding the double-dip reasoning and possibilities.

I find these worries about a “double-dip” recession interesting for many reasons.  Perhaps chief among these reasons is that even among those who think a “double-dip” recession is likely, these people don’t seem to believe that any further economic weakness will be worse than that which we experienced during the trough set in late ’08-early ’09.

I’m not sure for the reasoning behind this belief; and I have seen none offered.  However, per my previous posts I don’t believe this is a logical conclusion.

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Another Forecast Mentioning “Double-Dip” Possibility

Tuesday, July 21st, 2009

Goldman Sachs yesterday came out with a new forecast on the S&P500 price as well as operating earnings, as seen on CNBC.com here:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31774313

I found the following phrase interesting; as this is another forecast that mentions the possibility of a “double-dip” recession in the future:

“Goldman’s current economic view is for below-trend growth through 2010, and it believes the risk of a “double-dip” recession is still significant.”

Also in the story it mentions that Goldman raised its operating earnings estimate on the S&P500 to $52 (from $40) for 2009 and to $75 (from $63) for 2010; and its S&P500 price target for year-end 2009 to 1060 from 940. 

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